Since the beginning of time there has been an inequality between men and women. So this has made me wonder, if given the choice to live in Sparta or Athens as a citizen, what would I choose? Would my citizenship change if I were suddenly a woman? What makes a certain polis better than the other? I believe certain circumstances would make me want to change my citizenship but in my current state of being a male, I would have to choose Athens. “The Greek world was a man’s world, and Greek men kept Greek women as an underclass in both public and private life” (Mathisen 174). Men in many cultures were favored and sometimes females were disregarded at birth. If you were a male in Athens and were born from two Athenian parents then you were considered …show more content…
Sparta did have an assembly that ran the state but citizenship was very small. I decided to turn down citizenship in Sparta for a variety of reasons. When born in Sparta you are instantly taken to the Lesche. The Lesche were some of the elders of the tribe to which the child belonged and they carefully examined the child. If the child was stout and well-made, they gave order for its rearing, and allotted to it one of the nine thousand shares of land for its maintenance. If they found it puny and ill shaped, they ordered it to be taken to the Apothetae, a sort of chasm under Taygetus (Plutarch Life of Lycurgus). Where it was discarded. If I happened to be somewhat unhealthy during my birth they would have gotten rid of me. In Athens my parents would have at least had the choice to raise me. At age seven the boys would be taken from their family and raised in a barracks. Also in Sparta, if you survived long enough to not be thrown away like a piece of trash by the age of twelve you were no longer allowed to wear undergarments and had only a coat to serve you a year (Lecture, Rise of the Polis). The children were then banded together with a leader. They would have to forage and steal to get the supplies that they needed. If they were caught stealing though they would be whipped without mercy and starved almost to death. By the age of twenty you would compete to join one of two dining clubs and if you failed by age thirty you failed to receive citizenship. Finally at thirty you would have an arranged marriage and the right to vote and hold office. Sparta has a very unique culture but because of the harsh ways the children are brought up and even then you are not guaranteed the right to vote is why I could not be a citizen of
Only men could be citizens. To be a citizen, you had to not only be a man, but also be financially secure as well as you had to be born in Athens and so did both of your parents. Women were forbidden to be citizens, along with slaves, foreigners and children, or anyone else who did not meet the proper criteria. To be a citizen meant you had the right to vote, since Athens was a democratic society. However a woman not being able to vote does not make Athens a true democratic society. Sadly this was not the only right women did not have.
“Virtue can only flourish among equals.” - Mary Wollstonecraft. In Athens, all citizens were equal, therefore a strong community thrived. Starting in 500 BCE a new idea of citizenship was starting to form. This idea was used by Athens and Rome, and included giving citizens a balance between rights and responsibilities. This paved the way for modern day citizenship in our countries and many others. Athens had a better system of citizenship because they chose government offices by lottery, to keep a strong democracy they made sure no one had too much power, and citizens in all social classes could participate in government.
The lives of women in Ancient Greece were often subject to control by men. Women were considered in many ways inferior to men, and they were never granted equal political rights. Not all Greek city-states treated women in the same manner, however. The greatest contrast in treatment of women was between Athens and Sparta. The Athenian view of women was that they were best kept out of the public sphere entirely, with few personal liberties or economic rights, and no direct involvement with politics.
Citizenship in Rome and Athens, which was the Better System? Rome and Athens were two great civilizations that heavily influenced the United States of America. Two of the main areas of influence were the ideas of government and citizenship. Citizenship is when a person is legally a member of a state or country in which they enjoy specific privileges and have responsibilities to the state. The background essay for this document based questions states, “Citizenship often balances between individual rights, such as the right to vote, and individual responsibilities, such as a duty to serve one’s country.”
Women in Athens lived in a society dominated by men. They had very few rights and essentially, there was nothing equal about it. The education of Athenian women was to say the least, lacking. Unlike men, they weren’t taught in school by actual teachers. They were taught at home by their mothers or tutors of some sort. Much of their education focused on household skills and many men viewed women as being inferior. Women were held back from participating in the sports that were ever so popular with the men.
A man in Athens had full citizenship, which meant he had political influence, but on the days he was not participating in the democracy, he was at the market trading goods, but he was also in the army or having house parties with friends. A woman did not have as much fun. She had a partial citizenship because the men thought she was inferior. Because the men of the ancient world thought she was inferior so, she was to tend to the home, family, and teach the children until they were seven This is a basic overview of Ancient Athenian society. This society consisted of the upper, lower and middle class,
For this reason women in ancient Greece seemed inferior socially. But the women were isolated in their homes and did not mix in the society of men. What the men thought may not have been that important to the women.
Gender roles and relationships of Greek were not equal. Women were seen as weaker begins and men had most of the control over the women. Women born of two Athenian parents were considered citizens with partial legal protection. They had the responsibilities for performing certain religious rituals of great important for the state. Unfortunately, like slaves, they were excluded from attending meetings of the assembly, holding annual public offices, serving
Athenian society was very dynamic in many areas while it was strict in regard to the treatment of women. Although Athenian women were protected by the state and did not know a different way of living, they were very stifled and restricted. The only exception was slaves, and heteria, prostitutes, and this was due to the fact that they had no male guardians. Since these women were on there own they had to take care of themselves, and therefore were independent. In a more recent and modern way of viewing the role of a woman, independence and freedom to do as one likes is one of the most important aspects of living. In Athens the wives had none of this freedom and the prostitutes did. Who then really had a “better”
In Ancient Greece, it would have been better to live in Sparta, one of the most elite city-states in ancient Greece, along with Athens, another influential city-state. Sparta was located on the Peloponnesus Peninsula, and it was ruled by two kings, a form of government known as an oligarchy. Athens was a democracy located close to its nearest harbor. Sparta was a better city-state to live in because of the way they treated their slaves, the way they treated their women, and their powerful military.
In Athens, there was a lot of opportunity for a male. An Athenian male could become a scholar, poet, politician, or pretty much anything they wanted; but females on the other hand, didn 't have that power. Men was under the understanding that females were incapable of making reasonable decisions in the political world. The idea of gender equality was non-existent in the Athens society. As said by Historian Don Nardo “throughout antiquity most Greek women had few or no civil rights and many enjoyed little freedom of choice or mobility.” He also stated “aside from poetry, women’s writing survives only in private letters written on papyrus preserved by ancient of nature, only from Hellenistic and Roman Egypt.” (O’Pry 2012) Women in the Athens society that were in an upper class were
Women’s role in Greece can be seen when one first begins to do research on the subject. The subject of women in Greece is coupled with the subject of slaves. This is the earliest classification of women in Greek society. Although women were treated differently from city to city the basic premise of that treatment never changed. Women were only useful for establishing a bloodline that could carry on the family name and give the proper last rites to the husband. However, women did form life long bonds with their husbands and found love in arranged marriages. Women in Athenian Society Women are “defined as near slaves, or as perpetual minors” in Athenian society (The Greek World, pg. 200). For women life didn’t
In Athens, Ancient Greece, it was hard to be a woman because women were not only considered the weaker sex next to men, but also had very little rights, “Our noble magistrate, why waste you words on these sub-human creatures…” (Aristophanes 199). The women of Athens around 400 B.C.E. were mainly seen as sexual objects and housewives, not by only the men, but the women themselves. This shows in Aristophanes writing:
Throughout the ancient world women possessed few rights and privileges. A woman’s freedom varied depending on where she was born, in this case Athens and Sparta. But it can be said that most women were second-class citizens during this time period. Most women had limited social roles, little education, and no involvement in politics. Power and freedom was something that only existed in a man’s world, while women were expected to be submissive, docile, bear children, and take care of the household. Surviving records from ancient Greece show that women’s roles did not differ much from city-state to city-state but there were exceptions that include noble women and most notably, Spartan women. Some civilizations treated women with respect
Citizenship in ancient Greece and Rome were both examples of historically important normative theories. Citizenship in ancient Greece was primarily based off of the writing of Aristotle. In Athens, gender, race, and class defined citizenship completely. Because of this, a large amount of people was excluded. This included children, immigrants, women, and most of all slaves. Citizenship was only given to a minority of people, which presented citizens with high expectations and responsibilities. Most citizens held public office at some point in their life. With short terms and many positions, citizens had an almost equal chance of exercising political power. Aristotle believed citizens must know each other, share values, and have common interest.