Jack And Ralph Debate

Jack respects Ralph as a leader and another alpha, however deems himself the higher qualified to lead the group; bringing forth a vote for a chief. However, the choir boy followers weren’t strong enough in numbers to counter the seemingly endless supply of little kids that voted for Ralph. After this unexpected result, Jack develops an instant grudge towards his only competition for power. Ralph begins to form a democratic society solely focused on rescue; yet jack has other plans in agenda. Under Ralph’s seemingly boring command, Jack develops other outputs for his primal necessity of dominance. Jack begins focusing on the task of hunting animals and finding weaker beings to prey on. Jack even blatantly leaves the rescue fire to chase after a pig; had he not have done so, the group could have possibly been rescued by the boat passing by during the fire’s absence. Once Jack finally has enough of going in circles with Ralph, he makes the decision to shake off Ralph’s influence and create his own niche. Within Jack’s tribe, lifestyle is greatly different to that of one designed by Ralph. Jack and his followers seemingly devolve into primal beings, as Jack gets his fill of power. Control over others was all that Jack longed for, with a crazed and burning

Jack and Ralph were motivated for their actions in different ways. Ralph was motivated strictly by the hope of being rescued. Even though he called meetings and tried to organize the group of boys to do simple things like build huts or keep the fire going so they could be rescued or survive, the boys would go play or bathe. Ralph said to Jack ‘"And they keep running off, you remember the meeting? How everyone was going to work hard until the shelters were finished?" (51) The only person who would listen or work with Ralph was Simon. Unfortunately, the other boys continued to ignore Ralph's leadership throughout the novel and eventually all turned to Jack for leadership. Jack was motivated by hunting and killing. His obsession for this began when he was frustrated with himself for not killing the pig in the first chapter: ‘"He snatched his knife out of the sheath and slammed it into a tree trunk. Next time there would be no mercy" (29).There would actually be no mercy from Jack from that point on. Eventually all of the boys, except for Ralph and Piggy, turned to Jack's evil ways, even to the point of participating in the killing of Simon. Effectively, Ralph was motivated by the hope of rescue for his actions and Jack motivated by bloodlust.

It is clear that Jack is a better leader than Ralph because he is more of a demanding, manipulative person. From the time the boys landed on the island, Jack was in control of the choir. “The other boys, led by Jack, run off in disorganized excitement to light the signal fire”(Reilly, 3). This quote shows

Even though Jack demonstrated his leadership qualities when proposing a rescue plan to the ‘tribe’, and by accepting Ralph’s election to lead the group, something he wanted for himself, he eventually turns into a savage through killing a pig. This incident gives him a sense of power realizing that he can act with impunity without consequences. Wanting to hunt and kill pigs turned into a priority, eliminating the need to be

In contrast, Jack represents the selfishness of the individual and the desire to have fun without regard for safety or the consequences to the group of not being rescued. All the boys have been raised in a society that has taught them right from wrong. Ralph and Piggy are attempting to maintain a sense of order and provide some of the elements of security for the group. Jack and the other boys that follow him are only participating actively in the hunt, and the pursuit of their own interests. In either circumstance, the boys involved are making a conscious choice. They are aware of their actions and although they may not fully understand the repercussions, they do understand that they are not following the direction given by their chosen

There is no given reason as to why, so, the boys believe that Jack is doing it simply because he can. Jack is able to show his authority as a chief and does this to fulfil his cruel needs. In chapters ten and eleven, Ralph and his boys go to the Reds, Jack and the hunters, side of the island. Limping along the edge of the water, the boys arrive to face the Reds. Once Piggy is dead, he and the other tell him that is what he will be looking forward to by yelling, “thats what youll get”, while showing no remorse he hurling a spear at Ralph. Once Ralph leaves, Jack tells the twins, “You have got to join my tribe.” Refusing, Sam and Eric say, “You lemme go..and me.” Jack responds with, “What d’you mean by not joining my tribe?” Eventually, they twins give in, knowing what would happen to them if they had not agreed. Jack and the majority of his boys, show their power to Ralph and the others in a cruel way. By doing this, it means that by using their power to their advantage, they can do anything by making the others fearful. While the twins are on guard duty, Ralph finds them, asking them to leave. However, the twins tell him, “You don’t know Roger. He’s a terror...And the chief...they’re both terrors.” The boys reveal that they are not only

Both Jack and Ralph were struggling for power. At first, Jack and Ralph had similar goals for what they should do on the island. They quickly retreated when Jack became obsessed with hunting for pigs on the island. Ralph thought that they should keep the signal fire going at all times. Jack started to see that he did not want to leave the island he like that there were no rules. Ralph on the other hand felt that they could not be here forever. Ralph wanted to be rescued from the island. They're very different opinion forces Jack to leave Ralph's group and start his own. Jack toke most of the other boys with him leaving Ralph with very few people. From all of this Ralph started to realize that leading a group of people was not easy. There would always be people like Jack that would disagree. Jack left feeling insulted from Ralph insulting his hunting he felt that Ralph had undermined him as a result Jack turned mean and

When Jack slaps Piggy and purposely breaks his glasses, Ralph calls it "A dirty trick." (p. 76) This shows Jack's selfishness and his failure to respect other people, while at the same time Ralph's concern is understand others. Ralph manages to treat each boy equally with his own form of control while Jack treats the boys, especially Piggy lower. After hunting, the group sits down to eat and Jack gives everyone a share except for Piggy. When Piggy asks for some, Jack says, "You didn't hunt." (p. 78) Neither Ralph or many of the littluns hunted but they still got their portion of meat. This was only being directed to Piggy. Jack's behavior towards Piggy shows that he is unable to understand other people. A good leader would have taken care of all his/her group. Ralph understands that he must treat everyone equal or he will not be respected and is a better leader than Jack because of this knowledge.

Indeed, despite his position of power and responsibility in the group, Jack shows no qualms about abusing the other boys physically. Some of the other hunters, especially Roger, seem even crueler and less governed by moral impulses. The civilized Ralph, meanwhile, is unable to understand this impulsive and cruel behavior, for he simply cannot conceive of how physical bullying creates a self-gratifying sense of power. The boys’ failure to understand each other’s points of view creates a gulf between them—one that widens as resentment and open hostility set in.

As one can see from the start, Jack's tribe changes their lifestyles to a primitive state, while Ralph's seeks the future in life. Ralph thus thinks on a more matured level by learning from past mistakes, while Jack only seeks the fun out of life. This is the main reason why Ralph's group, even though lonesome, still prevails. Ralph and Jack indeed set different rules under each other's turf. The two leaders follow different beliefs, and thus have different lives to live, and groups to lead.

Ralph and his group are stuck competing with Jack and his hunters for resources, space, and food which could complicate their efforts to get off the island. Division between Jack and Ralph can, and will eventually lead up to many negative conflicts.

Jack, negatively portrayed in comparison to Ralph, tempts the boys with an array of forbidden treats, indulging their most violent, suppressed desires in an attempt to lull them away from the security of Ralph. In a sense, Jack is negatively compared to Ralph throughout the novel, and is often portrayed as confused and violent, very aware of the evil inside of him: “The real problem that arises among the boys involves their own inner nature…” (Johnston 2). When his plan fails, Jack feels as though his seat of power is threatened and therefore resorts to terrorizing, threatening and essentially forcing the boys to join him and align themselves against Ralph, alienating them from their former, comfortable life-style and thus making what they once failed to appreciate all the more desirable.

I felt extremely awkward when Ralph said, “Why do you hate me?” to Jack when we were hunting for the beast. The reason I felt that way is because I am a hunter, but I side with Ralph with most of the decisions he makes. For example, I sided with Ralph when he tried to make the decision of waiting till morning to go hunt for the aforementioned beast. That was a better idea than Jack’s idea, which was to keep looking for it through the night, because if there was a beast out there, then it could attack us in the darkness of night, and we would not notice it till it was to late. On the other hand, I believe that Jack is the stronger leader. The reason I believe Jack is the stronger leader is because people do not question his decisions as much

So lets take at these characters bounties: Jack has a whopping 1,000,000,000 Beli bounty, the largest known so far in the series. While Cracker has an impressive 860,000,000 Beli bounty. The thing that irks me more than anything else people rank Jack over people like Cracker only due to the fact of having the big ＯＮＥ ＢＩＬＬＩＯＮ. The margin between Jack and Cracker's bounty is only 140,000,000, which honestly isn't even that big of a difference.

Ralph and Jack are very different in many ways. The main problem is that they are both trying to do their own thing. Ralph wants to build shelters to comfort the young ones and for protection from the elements, but Jack wants to hunt to provide meat. They are not seeing eye-to-eye, and therefore are not communicating well. Since they have two different priorities, which are shelters and hunting, they are not necessarily succeeding at either. However, if they worked together, they would probably achieve something. Their differences in ideals may lead to their downfall.