In 6-8 pages address the following issues and questions: What are the main definitions of piety that Euthyphro and Socrates consider? (There are at least three.) Which of the definitions of piety offered in the Euthyphro do you think is the most plausible? Why? Explain the meaning and significance of the dilemma Socrates poses at 10a1-3 is the pious loved by the gods because its pious or is it pious because its loved (on pg. 40; cf. Rachels and Rachels, pg. 50-53). How do you think the relationship between ethical norms and God’s commands should best be understood from a Christian perspective? Piety is nearly impossible to explain and clarify but Socrates and Euthyphro discuss three major possible definitions; while breaking them down, …show more content…
Socrates isn’t satisfied with the definition as it only applies to one thing and not the form itself, subsequently Euthyphro gives him another one being “what’s loved by the gods is pious, and what’s not loved by the gods is impious.” (Morgan 38, 7a) At first it is clear, anything you do, whether in word or deed can be holy and good if the gods so approve of it. On the same note, anything you do that is disapproved by the gods such as murder, is impious. Socrates accepts this but then expands on the idea through dialectic. If humans can disagree on what is good/bad then the gods also disagree on what is good/bad. Meaning that maybe a god agrees that an adulterous woman should be punished by death while another god may agree that she was not in the wrong, it was the man’s fault therefore he should be punished. Some big ideas like this carry controversy in what is right and wrong to do for most people. One god could hate cheating women and the other could excuse them of their actions. Here Socrates finds a flaw in this definitions logic, how can one thing be determined as god-loved or god-hated if the gods cannot agree on that decision. Therefore there can be no piety as there is no ultimate conclusion on what is pious and impious because cheating cannot be both things at the same time. Euthyphro, faced with this problem must now justify his previous definition or describe it
Socrates and Euthyphro cross paths one day at the courts of Athens. At the time, Euthyphro was there to prosecute his father for murder. Socrates takes the opportunity to ask Euthyphro what the meaning of piety is. In this paper, I exam the issue at hand, how Socrates uses his question to doubt Euthyphro’s thesis, and give an explanation as to what this question means for someone who maintains that God is the origin or foundation of morality.
At the core of Socrates’ argument is the need to break down the definition of holiness into smaller coherent characteristics. Socrates uses a series of question that are consistent with Euthyphro’s argument to ensure that he [Euthyphro] offers a consistent flow of definitions of the word holy.
Plato's "Euthyphro" introduces the Socratic student both to the Socratic Method of inquiry and to, or at least towards, a definition of piety. Because the character of Euthyphro exits the dialogue before Socrates can arrive at a reasonable definition, an adequate understanding of piety is never given. However, what piety is not is certainly demonstrated. Euthyphro gives three definitions of piety that fail to mean much to Socrates, who refutes each one. In this paper, I will present Euthyphro's definitions along with Socrates' rebuttals. I will also show that Socrates goal in the dialogue is two-fold: 1) to arrive at a true definition, and 2) to exercise his method of teaching/inquiry. At the conclusion of this paper, I will give my own definition of piety and imagine what Socrates might say in response.
Socrates doesn’t find this definition very convincing, because gods themselves are very different, something may be loved by one, but hated by other:”different gods consider different things to be just, beautiful, ugly, good , and bad”(7e1). This means that same thing can be loved and hated by gods and it can be pious and impious at the same time which doesn’t really make sense. So Euthyphro changes definition and says that:”pious is what all the gods love, and the opposite, what all the gods hate, is the impious”(9e1). After this statement Socrates comes across different problem:”is the pious being loved by the gods because it is pious, or it is pious because it is being loved by the gods?”(10a1).
The concept of holiness emerges in the dialogue between Socrates and Euthyphro as a result of Euthyphro's assertion that he intends to prosecute his own father for murder even though critics accuse him of being impious (that is, unholy). Euthyphro divulges this information after hearing Socrates' own reason for going to court, which is to defend himself against the accusation of corrupting the youth. Thus, the two men have similar reasons for going to court: both pertain to the question of what it means to be pious/holy. The question of holiness takes such a prominent position in the dialogue because Socrates sees in his discourse with Euthyphro the opportunity to distinguish between true and false holiness. This paper will present Euthyphro's three definitions of holiness, explain how Socrates refutes each one, examine Socrates' goal in the dialogue, provide my own definition of piety/holiness, and imagine Socrates' response to it.
In this interaction, Socrates considers Euthyphro to help in explaining all there is to be known about piety and the related impiety. Euthyphro confirms that he is indeed an expert in the matter relating to religious issues and can thus assist Socrates in the charges that face him. In their argument in the efforts to define the true meaning of piety, Socrates and Euthyphro engage in the analysis of issues that threaten to confuse human understanding about the whole issue of holiness and impiety in the society, (Plato & Gallop, 2008). To understand the true meaning of piety, it is of great importance to take a holistic analysis of the beliefs of the people about
Throughout the dialogue between Euthyphro and Socrates, they both try to come up with an understanding of the relationship between piety and justice. Within the discussion, Socrates questions Euthyphro to see if he can define the difference and similarities between justice and piety, and if they interact with each other. Eventually, Euthyphro and Socrates came up with the conclusion that justice is a part of piety. This is the relationship that I agree most with because in my own opinion, I believe that all of the gods and people agree that human beings who commit unjust actions need to be punished for their actions.
Magner 1 Anthony Magner Dr. Martin Tracey PHIL 1120 – B 22 February 2024 Option #1: The Nature of Piety in Plato’s Euthyphro In Plato’s Euthyphro, a Socratic dialogue that examines the nature of piety, and how it relates to the common man is revealed. In this dialogue, Socrates and Euthyphro go back and forth trying to figure out the real definition of piety, how it relates to the gods, and what makes a pious act, pious. Through this essay, I intend to use evidence from the Euthyphro to formulate, present, and defend my thesis concerning the beliefs I have in Plato’s text. Thesis Although on the surface, Plato’s Euthyphro is a discussion of the nature of piety, it is much more than that.
supposed to provide a general definition that captures the very basic nature of what piety is. Euthyphro claims that he knows what it is to be
Socrates says "you did not teach me adequately when I asked you what the pious was, but you told me that what you are doing now, prosecuting your father for murder is pious (Plato, 10) Socrates wants to know what piety is "through one form" (Plato, 10). He does not want to know which things or actions are pious, but rather what piety itself is. One cannot simply define something by giving examples so this definition does not satisfy Socrates.
Holiness is a central theme in the Socratic dialogue with Euthyphro. Socrates has taken up the ironic role of a student in the narrative as he attempts to gain knowledge of what holiness entails, from Euthyphro. Socrates meets with Euthyphro as they meet at a court in Athens. He seeks to gain knowledge on holiness, such that, he can use the insights in his trial against Meletus. Earlier, Meletus had charged him for impiety in a court. This justifies the importance that has been placed on the idea. In the ensuing dialogue, Euthyphro serves different definitions of holiness to Socrates. However, each of these is questioned, casting ambiguity over his supposed knowledge.
Socrates was a moral philosopher who was accused of impiety and was about to be tried for a crime, the nature of which no one seemed to understand. The trial and death of Socrates has four dialogs known as the Euthyphro, the Apology, the Crito, and the Phaedo which describes the process of Socrates’ controversial and insightful trial that raises the questions about human morality. Within the story we learned that the relationship between morality and religion might not be as clear-cut as some might think, Socrates forces the witnesses of his trial as well as ourselves to come to conclusions which result in a paradox that conflicts with the individual beliefs of his audience. In the event in which, Socrates poses a question to himself and Euthyphro, an attempt to answer the question "What is piety?" It has a specific tie to the events in “The Trial and Death of Socrates”, for Socrates had been accused of impiety and was about to be tried for the crime of heresy. The Euthyphro dialogue was written twenty-four centuries ago, and its conclusion is devastating for the whole idea that holiness and morality are very well connected. The idea that, “if God does not make something good by commanding it, but rather instead identifies that which is good, what measurement of morality does he use to make this judgment?” If something is right because god commands it, then it follows that something would be just as right if God instructed differently. If god declares that it is right to
In Plato's dialogue, 'Euthyphro', Socrates presents Euthyphro with a choice: `Is what is pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved [by the gods]?'
In Plato’s Euthyphro, Socrates and Euthyphro had a conversation about piety. During the conversation, Socrates raised a question which was a challenge to the Euthyphro’s definition of piety. Also, this question is a challenge to the theists’ view of divine command theory. I agree with the arbitrariness objection which succeeds giving a good reason to theists to reject the divine command theory. This objection indicates that the arbitrariness of God’s commands contradicts to the fundamental attribute of God, and God’s commands are unable to make an act morally good or bad.
If it were the exact definition, only Euthyphro would be pious. He said that Euthyphro did not understand the difference between a definition and an example. Next, Euthyphro says that piety is found in things that are dear to the gods (7a). Socrates again rejected Euthyphro’s definition of piety. The Greek gods were anthropomorphic; therefore, another may despise what would be dear to one god. This definition offered was not distinct. Finally, Euthyphro said that what is pious is what loved by the gods (9e). However, Euthyphro can’t answer whether something is pious because it is loved or it is loved because it is pious. He can’t conceive the difference between cause and effect. It is in the Euthyphro that Socrates begins his defense of his actions and principles to the reader. A priest can’t give him a concise answer as to what is religious; therefore, how can anyone else, especially one less religiously guided than a priest, accuse him of blasphemous actions?