In regards to the point of contention as to where ideas originate, John Locke provides us with a stronger case for the explanation of the origin of ideas than does Rene Descartes. His empirical explanation of ideas is much more powerful than Descartes’ innate explanations. The innate argument has many flaws associated with it while Locke’s argument has few flaws. It becomes quite clear after thinking about both views that Locke’s case is made the best. Descartes makes his case representing the rationalist point of view, advocating in favor of innate knowledge and the flaws associated with relying solely on our sensory perceptions as a basis for knowledge. He has a hard time proving the existence of innate ideas though. The empiricist Locke …show more content…
This is quite difficult to prove in my opinion. How does one know that an idea can be innate? Paraphrasing Locke’s words, how would we distinguish between an innate idea and one which requires reason to understand and would that not prove it innate? (Mulvaney, pg.210) Why do we have these ideas in us in the first place and who/what made it happen? There are so many questions that come to mind that makes this position unbelievable. This is a major blow to his case. The rationalist argument would say that because everyone knows basic principles, that means that there is universal assent to this and that would prove innateness (Mulvaney, pg.209). However, Locke disputes this assent by saying among other things that everyone could have had the same exact experience that led to this discovery (Mulvaney, pg.209). This refutation shows that Descartes belief is based off of false reasoning. This again shows that Descartes’ case is weak. He has not proved his …show more content…
His argument is more logical in my opinion. He on the other hand gives us a more reasonable and fact based case which shows why his account is superior. Locke’s account is better because it makes the most sense. This is a major strength of his argument and why his is better than Descartes. Locke states that all the knowledge that we have comes from sensation and/or from reflection (Mulvaney, pg.215). This makes more sense than Descartes’ innate perspective. We only acquire ideas from these two avenues. Nothing can enter our minds that is not sensed or reflected upon (Mulvaney, pg.215). This is very important because it covers all possible aspects and is hard to argue against. There is no innate explanation to any idea we come across in life. When we are babies we are only beginning to grasp certain ideas about what we see around us. Even as we grow, we discover more and more things but we needed the experience first in order to get to that point. Ideas about mathematics or from society are not inside of us. We know things exist because we can see them. We get the ideas of pain and pleasure from experiencing what they feel like. The idea of love and every other idea can be explained by senses. His case is much better and more
Locke argued that just the discovery of knowledge alone through believes could put forth a justification that knowledge “requires only reasonably high probability”. When Descartes talks about his solution when he states “what we directly see, feel, hear, touch…are our own sense data that ultimately exists in our minds” Descartes that by using our senses we interpret things that are certain. And so we have to use our senses in order to prove certainty, whereas Locke states that certainty only has to do with a reasonably high probability. If we were not able to use our senses, just through our prior knowledge of what we know we wouldn’t know if something was for certain. An example I can illustrate, if someone shows us an exotic fruit in part of the jungle which we have never traveled but, we are familiar with oranges and apples and such other fruits, but we only see the fruit, can we tell what color is on the inside? Or how tough the rind is? Through Descartes method we will be able to see the rind and based on our knowledge fruit come to a conclusion about it. Through Locke’s method we only need knowledge of the fruit we already are familiar with in order to formulate both how tough the rind is and what color is on the
Descartes is able to examine ideas and gain knowledge form them. Innate ideas mean they are present at birth, in other words we are implanted with certain ideas at our creation. He often uses ‘innate ideas’ to explain the mind’s original programming. “An infant’s mind is programmed with the rules of logic. Consider as an example the valid rule, modus ponens. Let P and Q stand for variables… the rules states that, if P then Q is true and P is true, then it follows that Q is true. We know that we are programmed with this rule because young children, who have never studied logic and have never entertained the rule, when given an argument in which the variables above are replaced by actual sentences, are able to intuit the validity of the argument.” Descartes believed our minds are programmed with eternal truths, “Whatever comes into existence must have been brought into existence by something else.” He also discovers that the idea of God is only part of his initial programming but also that God, operating through secondary sources such as his parents, is the programmer.
Locke feels that we do not have any innate ideas. Then the question arises of
In the first part of his essay he explains his basic beliefs of why everything we know comes from experience. One of the important points he makes is about universal content proving nothing to be innate. His second argument is that there aren't any innate ideas that everyone
Locke (1632-1704) further discounted the work of Descartes, as well as that of Plato. He maintained that all ideas originate in ones experiences. A newborn is devoid of ideas until experience begins to form these ideas.
After reading the analysis of innate ideas of the two philosophers. I tend to agree with Locke’s argument that there is no such innate ideas. First, Descartes does not proving enough about how can we born with innate ideas? This major flaw eventually get to Locke’s tension and give us a strong evident of the young children should aware of truth if they have innate ideas in them. Second, I believe in Locke’s criticism about ideas only gain through our experiences and situations. Thus the more experience we have, the vivid picture about our external world we can perceived.
Locke instead is an empiricist, and therefore he directly critiques Descartes epistemic system and tries to establish his own foundation of knowledge. Locke believes that our knowledge of the world comes from what our senses tell us. Locke’s theory state that we are all born with a blank slate, tabula rasa, before we
Rene Descartes was a rationalist who believed that knowledge of the world can be gained by the exercise of pure reason, while empiricist like Locke believed that knowledge of the world came through senses. Descartes from his meditations deduced from intuitive first principles the existence of self, of God, of the mind as a thinking substance and the extended body as a material substance whereas Locke, asserts that knowledge is acquired through perception, direct sensory of the world, reflections, the mental processes of breaking down complex impressions into simple ones and comparing them, conceptualizing them and recommending them to form new philosophies.
Locke also believes that people have innate ideas through experiences. He has three explanations for this idea. Firstly, if we had innate ideas, we would know that we have them, which means that if you have ideas they are conscience and everything you think, you think you think. Secondly, if there were innate truths of reason we would all agree on them. Lastly, our memory cannot recall these innate ideas.
Philosophers David Hume and Renee Descartes have opposing views about the origination of ideas. Hume claims that all ideas are copies of impressions, which come from sensation. Descartes disagrees with this, arguing that in order to obtain knowledge, there must be a rational method for obtaining it, and that the senses are not a reliable source. This essay will present both philosopher’s arguments and compare and contrast each perspective regarding matters of knowledge and ideas. I will then argue how Hume’s philosophy is the more viable theory, and give you my reason’s as to why it is a stronger argument, in comparison to Descartes’ more rational take on the origin of ideas and knowledge.
The problem he has with us thinking like this is that all sorts of things would end up being defined as innate. Locke thought that we had the capacity to recognise “self evident” truths and that we do have an innate capacity allowing us to recognise things, however they are not actually innate ideas within us, but ideas we gain from experience which our innate capacity allows us to understand. He was of the opinion that ideas are material of thinking and that there was no thinking before perception. While the mind has the capacity to think, it is not actually constantly thinking. For example, if you are asleep but not dreaming, then according to Locke, your mind isn’t actually thinking.
Seventeenth century philosophers René Descartes and John Locke endeavored to question the views on consciousness, self, and personal identity. They examined belief in God, the certainty of knowledge, and the role of mind and body. The goal of this paper is to deliberate John Locke’s and René Descartes views on “self” and personal identity and how each come to examine how knowledge is captured. René Descartes and John Locke both present arguments that are rational in the discussion of consciousness, self, and personal identity, but each lack conclusive evidence that would provide the proof necessary to believe one or the other philosophies are true.
Throughout the passage of time, philosophers have written and discussed many topics in philosophy. Sometimes, these philosophers agree on ideas or sometimes they make their own assumptions. There are two philosophers who had different ideas concerning where innate ideas come from and how we get these types of ideas. Rene Descartes and John Locke were these two philosophers with the opposing argument on innate ideas. The place where Descartes discusses his views were in the Meditations on First Philosophy and Locke's argument is located in An Essay Concerning Human Understanding. By using these sources I will be able to describe the difference between these two arguments on innate ideas.
Descartes knows for a fact and states it in his ontological argument that God's existence is known through intuition. In the article the author states that "While such considerations
Firstly, Descartes deals with the issue of empiricism- the theory that our knowledge is derived from our sensory experiences. Since we know from everyday errors that our senses have the ability to deceive us fairly often so making our perceptions to be something that it is not. For example, there are lots of examples of optical illusions and the fact that the train tracks may appear to converge from a distance. Consequently, we ought to