“And is then all just pious? Or is all that is pious just, but not all that is just, but some of it is and some is not.” This is the question that Socrates asks Euthyphro at 12a. In Socrates search for truth he questions what part of piety belongs to justice or what part of justice belongs to piety. To clarify that there is a distinction Socrates uses a quote from a poet, “You do not wish to name Zeus, who had done it, and who made all things grow, for where there is fear there is also shame.” Socrates argues that people can fear disease and poverty but not necessarily be ashamed by their illness or economic status. This could also be the case with piety and justice. There could be justice where there is no piety and there could be piety where …show more content…
In this relationship there is no connection, all acts of piety would be purely pious with no justice, and just acts would not be pious. this relationship cannot be true because actions such as, charity and caring for the gods creation, are both pious and just and. This relationship would not allow for such action.
The second possible relationship then would be, all just actions are pious and all pious acts are just. This association fails to allow any action to be purely just or purely pious. human sacrifice and praying, under this relationship would be not only pious but also just. On the other hand, stopping at red light, and following the speed limit would be pious acts. There are acts that are done because they are loved by the gods and there are many other acts that are done simply because they are fair. This relation is not possible.
Justice and piety are equal with some overlap. This bond seems to satisfy all the previous dilemmas. it would allow actions like charity to be part of both and actions like stopping at red light and human sacrifice to be exclusively either just or pious. This correlation states that there would be actions that are just but not necessarily pious. on the other hand, it also implies that there are unjust actions that are truly pious. This relationship is problematic because the gods love the just yet this this bond allows for the gods to love the unjust because the gods love pious and some pious actions would be
In Euthyphro by Plato, Socrates and Euthyphro discuss the ethics involved in putting his own father on trial for murder. Through this, they discuss the idea of ethics combined with the divine. They ponder what exactly makes an idea or practice pious, whether it be that the idea itself was already pious or only pious because the gods liked it. One quote that caught my interest was when they are discussing what is pious versus what is just. Socrates ponders, “Is it ‘where just is, there too is pious’?
Socrates and Euthyphro cross paths one day at the courts of Athens. At the time, Euthyphro was there to prosecute his father for murder. Socrates takes the opportunity to ask Euthyphro what the meaning of piety is. In this paper, I exam the issue at hand, how Socrates uses his question to doubt Euthyphro’s thesis, and give an explanation as to what this question means for someone who maintains that God is the origin or foundation of morality.
Socrates accurately contests that this definition does not provide the true nature of piety or why pious acts are in fact considered pious. By challenging Euthyphro’s perception of piety, Socrates attempts to obtain an objectivist definition of what it truly means to be pious. Socrates’ queries provide powerful support for the notion that one’s judgements regarding value is a response to objectively existing values. That is, the pious leads the gods to love it or the morally just leads one to approve it. However, perhaps the reason the dialogue draws to an aporetic conclusion, is the fact that piety may not be defined objectively. Pious acts may be considered immeasurable as they are based upon subjective individual values. Thus, the meaning of piety can differ as a result of one’s individual views and values. As one’s definition of piety may contradict another’s, acts may be regarded as both pious and impious simultaneously. Additionally, one’s own definition of what is considered pious may shift overtime, due to experience or greater understanding of a situation resulting in further discord between piety and impiety. However, whilst this Socratic dialogue does not result in a concise definition of what it means to be pious, it does indirectly enhance one’s understanding of piety by encouraging one to evaluate what the pious is
Therefore, appealing to action does not clarify what constitutes piety. Moreover one god may perceive Euthyphro’s action as just, while another deplores is as unjust. Another proposition is that piety is what is universally loved by the gods, and impiety is what is universally hated by the gods. However, is the particular action pious because it is loved by the gods or loved by the gods because it is pious? Is piety intrinsically virtuous or virtuous because external praise by the gods? Socrates poses a remarkably timeless question. For example, is it unjust to kill Syrians because human life has intrinsic value, or is it unjust to kill by consensus? Is there an objective moral duty to preserve human life, or is the value of life merely dependent on social
Socrates point on justice is that everything that is termed just ought to be entirely holy. On the other hand, not everything that is deemed holy is just. However, the term just is used interchangeably with the term morally good. I think Socrates point is to find enough proof to support any premise beyond reasonable doubt.
Plato's "Euthyphro" introduces the Socratic student both to the Socratic Method of inquiry and to, or at least towards, a definition of piety. Because the character of Euthyphro exits the dialogue before Socrates can arrive at a reasonable definition, an adequate understanding of piety is never given. However, what piety is not is certainly demonstrated. Euthyphro gives three definitions of piety that fail to mean much to Socrates, who refutes each one. In this paper, I will present Euthyphro's definitions along with Socrates' rebuttals. I will also show that Socrates goal in the dialogue is two-fold: 1) to arrive at a true definition, and 2) to exercise his method of teaching/inquiry. At the conclusion of this paper, I will give my own definition of piety and imagine what Socrates might say in response.
By comparing these possibilities, Socrates invites Euthyphro to consider whether piety derives its value and virtue essentially or merely as a result of divine preference. This question serves as a foundation for Socrates' argument, emphasizing the need to understand piety beyond its external indicators and divine sanction. It underscores the importance of discerning the inherent qualities that define piety, irrespective of its relationship with the gods. Thus, Socrates' interrogation of Euthyphro's definition directs attention toward the essence of piety, urging a deeper exploration of its fundamental nature and moral significance. Another perspective that emerges from the dialogue in (Euthyphro 10e) is the notion of divine arbitrariness in matters of moral judgment.
In this interaction, Socrates considers Euthyphro to help in explaining all there is to be known about piety and the related impiety. Euthyphro confirms that he is indeed an expert in the matter relating to religious issues and can thus assist Socrates in the charges that face him. In their argument in the efforts to define the true meaning of piety, Socrates and Euthyphro engage in the analysis of issues that threaten to confuse human understanding about the whole issue of holiness and impiety in the society, (Plato & Gallop, 2008). To understand the true meaning of piety, it is of great importance to take a holistic analysis of the beliefs of the people about
Studying the fourth relationship, Socrates and Euthyphro go into detail on how the came up with this interpretation, all just actions are pious. Using the same example, charity, works for this relationship because it is a just and a pious action at the same time. There are multiple ways to determine why this relationship can be incorrect. Holding the door open for a stranger is a just action, but is not pious. Therefore, holding the door open for a stranger is not just, which does not make sense. There is also another more significant reason on why the fourth relationship will not work. The fourth relationship allows there to be pious actions that can be unjust. For instance, killing innocent children because “the gods” intend this to happen does not make this relationship true. If you have a pious action that allows unjust actions, then there is no justice. Towards the end of 8-d, Socrates asked, “Do not all the gods have the same experience, if indeed they are at odds with each other about the just and the unjust, as your argument maintains? Some assert that they wrong one another, while others deny it, but no one among gods or men ventures to say that the wrongdoer
Euthyphro intends his definition of piety. If right actions are pious only because the gods love them, then moral rightness is completely
because, how can all the gods find everything to be pious when what is just to
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