Plato and The Phaedrus Plato’s the assistant of Socrates, enhanced love (eros) on Socrates’s ideas and philosophies. This is evident in the Phaedrus. One has to keep in mind that Plato had a large effect on the outcome of Socrates pieces and his theory of knowledge and philosophical psychology, intersections, and interpretations. Plato touches on a broad variety of topics, including love, philosophical interpretation and ideology, and eve to writing. Plato’s interpretation of the Phaedrus: there is a
difficult and intentionally obsessive, Plato’s Phaedrus is an exceedingly difficult read that defies all conventional logic as a piece of discourse. The text is extremely subjective, open to interpretation and individual creativity as to what or whom the narrative is about. Written by Plato, a close disciple of Socrates, this text is set along the Illissus river where Phaedrus and Socrates meet for a day of speech, debate, rhetoric and okay…flirting. Phaedrus leads of the day and recites a speech by his
3) Plato’s view on the Rhetoric in Gorgias is completely different than Phaedrus view on rhetoric. In Gorgias, Plato emphasis the use of rhetoric as flattery that only lacks merit in scientifically sense. As stated with the readings, Plato warns “when the rhetorician Is more persuasive that the physician, the ignorant is more persuasive with the ignorant that he who has knowledge—is not the inference.” (Plato, 48). This implies that rhetoric creates this distortion that allows others to distort
The Phaedrus dialogue is one of the masterpieces of philosophical and artistic prose of Plato. The work presents a philosophical debate between Socrates and Phaedrus. Socrates, as expressed by Plato, refutes the false eloquence and proves that the rhetoric should be based on philosophy. In this dialogue, Plato also argues the meaning of true love, the way it is connected with the soul, and how the soul can be incorporated into the frame of art and beauty. Phaedrus covers the most significant aspects
philosophers different style and way of thinking within their speeches. All philosophers have agreed to drink while each other is speaking, but there is no pressure from one another or one’s self to drink excessively. The first to kick off the speeches is Phaedrus, an idealist, who believes that being shamed upon who you love most is of the highest caliber of embarrassment, even compared to relatives
Dvorak COM 409-1001 September 3rd, 2015 In Phaedrus, Plato expands on the social implication that those who wield rhetoric ought to be just and act justly when utilizing it. This recurring theme is clearly portrayed through his analysis of love, the soul, and rhetoric itself. Phaedrus is written as a dialogue, with Phaedrus and Socrates discussing their views on rhetoric. Plato structures his writing so that Socrates is the one bestowing knowledge upon Phaedrus, his young and playful pupil, by asking
Plato’s attempt in Phaedrus to establish a basis for a true art of rhetoric is seen through his characterizations and plot developments conveying themes throughout. What is true art of rhetoric? True art of rhetoric is the art of influencing soul and mind. Adapting to audience’s soul is the art of rhetoric, soul of love, soul of lust, and soul of honor. It is a means of persuasion regardless of content or a means of dialectic between two people or more who want the truth regardless of who wins. “Rhetoric
A quick Google search on the term romantic love will pop up many definitions like emotional or sexual connection. Phaedrus would define romantic as the most honorable thing any lover would do, which is sacrificing yourself for the sake of the beloved. It does seem to be a bit extreme to think that romantic love is the ultimate sacrifice, but plenty of people go to war to fight for their loved ones and country and many times lose their life. His speech would also consider love natural, since the urge
Phaedrus was told a story by his classical Greek philosopher friend Socrates. The story was about the King of great city of Egypt, Thamus. He was introduced a lot of inventions by Theuth who was known as the god of inventions. Theuth declared that his inventions would be available extensively to Egypt's people. One of the Theuth's inventions was writing and he believed that it can help Egyptians to get better with their wisdom and memory. Whereas Thamus contradicted his approach and said this invention
When Plato was writing Phaedrus he strategically wrote inspiring speakers arguing one who speaks noble and well must know the truth about the subject he is going to discuss. Likewise, Plato did not forgot about the responsibility of an audience. “According to reflections inaugurated by the Theuth and Thamus myth, the written word is not the most suitable vehicle for communicating truth, because it cannot answer questions put to it; it simply repeats itself when queried; it tends to substitute the
Phaedrus, an aristocrat, takes the stage first at the symposium. He explains that Erōs is one of the primordial gods, and that the love between a boy and a lover is the greatest love that exists. The lover is meant to guide the boy, and the two must lead each other to examine themselves and feel ashamed. “...[The boy] is especially ashamed before his lover when he is caught in something shameful” (Sym. 178E). Phaedrus later adds that “...Love is...the most powerful in helping men gain virtue and
Bui Ngo Thanh Truc (Tessa) The Potential of Persuasion in Phaedrus and Life of Demosthenes Persuasion is an essential skill for rhetoricians. Since all a rhetorician needs is not the truth but his own opinion, persuasion is necessary to address the assembly. While persuasion could be used to lead a city to making the right decisions and gaining glory, the power of persuasion could be also abused or used by the wrong person. Demosthenes uses his rhetorical skills to push Athens away from its course
Rhetoric, Paideia and the Phaedrus ABSTRACT: Some of the notorious interpretive puzzles of the Phaedrus arise from reading it in terms of a static version of mimesis; hence, the concerns about its apparent failure to enact its own norms and the status of its own self-commentaries. However, if the dialogue is read in the light of the more dynamic model of a perfectionist paideia — that is, Plato’s portrayal of Socrates as attempting to woo Phaedrus to philosophy (with only partial success) is
Socrates is referring to “going beyond” human reason. In the Phaedrus, Plato says, “There are two kinds of madness; one is produced by human infirmity, the other by a divine release from the ordinary ways of men.” Aristotle says that plants have a nutritive soul, while animals have a sensitive soul and humans have a rational soul. Imagine a plant going beyond its nutritive soul into the realm of an animate or rational soul. For example, the Ents from Lord of The Rings, they are sensitive in that
The Phaedrus is a dialogue written by Plato about love and its effects on the soul. Briefly he writes about the mortality of written works explaining that they lose their immortality as soon as they are written. Through reading the Phaedrus and coming to my own conclusion and then comparing Plato’s conclusion and my own, I discovered that Plato is right, words are not immortal without their authors to explain them or support them and that we will always wonder at the meaning of their work without
and behaviors are found in every living being, to a certain extent. Desires, along with behaviors, are a crucial part to life itself. This aspect implemented in different forms of life plays a large role in critical thinking and decision making. Phaedrus, An Education, O Brother, Where Art Thou, Gulliver’s Travels, and The Descent of Man explore and exemplify different ways desire and behavior affect the thought and decision making process. In the movie, An Education, the main character, Jenny
meaning, knowledge versus wisdom, and the impact of oneself internally, which all culminate into the realization of value within oneself. To find the truth it has been said that one has to look within. It is within those parameters that Siddhartha, Phaedrus, and Oedipus found what they searched so longingly for. On the topic of Siddhartha, his search for enlightenment was more of a search for the meaning of life and the truth behind it. As Thomas J. Schoenberg and Lawrence J. Trudeau put it, "The novel
each speaker proposing their own perception on the topic. Moreover, it is evident that all the speeches made prior to Diotima’s appearance in the text may have been a sort of buildup for Socrates’ recollection of his discussion with her like how Phaedrus argues that love motivates one to pursue virtuous acts which is a central theme in Diotima’s dialogue on love or how Pausanias’ categorizes love similar to Diotima’s separation of the various types of loves into stages on a ladder. Consequently,
Altogether it seems that Aristotle’s basic criticism towards sophists is quite similar to Plato’s in his Phaedrus. Namely, the main focus of Aristotle’s censure is circling around the claim that previous theoreticians of rhetoric put emphasis on something quite corollary in nature and secondary to the importance of rhetoric. So, according to Aristotle, the contemporary
nobility brought forth by Diotima is reflected in and expanded on notions brought up in previous speeches, particularly those by Phaedrus and Pausanias, resulting in a much more complex understanding of love, its results, and what it stems from.