Cultural Attitudes Reflected in War
Vanissa Tsang
Conflict is inevitable when rules have been dismissed or violated, or when something valuable has been stolen or damaged. The Israelites got involved with an internal war when Saul became jealous of David for being the Lord’s next chosen king; The Trojan War happened because Paris took Helen from Menelaus. Although war is a common form of conflict for the Israelites and Greeks, its objective differs by Israelites fight to gain God’s favor, or power, whereas Greeks roots from the honor of one self, legacy of the family, and reputation of the community.
The start of wars with the Hebrews are influenced by the Israelites’ displease from or to God, or simple rule violations; Greeks’ wars
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In Greek, Helen was Menelaus’ wife until Paris took her back to Troy. Because she was not fairly obtained as a prize through battle, Paris is ‘that man [who] robbed / of [Menelaus’] sumptuous, warm wife” (Iliad, III, 61-62). A wife is usually seen as a prized treasure to Greek and Trojan men alike, so when Helen was stolen, it was an insult to Menelaus’ pride. Had he done nothing about it, then the Greeks would be cowards for not fighting to claim back what was rightfully theirs, and letting anyone step over them and casually taking things from them. A war on pride was fought between Achilles and Agamemnon when Agamemnon took “Briseis in all her beauty, [Achilles’] own prize - / so [he] can learn just how much greater [Agamemnon is] than [him]” (Iliad, I, 218-219). Agamemnon felt that his time was taken away, and to replace what is being lost, he deliberately makes Achilles’ suffer through the same humiliation to restore his own glory and to assert his position as king.
The attitudes that was brought into war is different between the Hebrews and Greeks, where Hebrews enter with uncertainty about their success and turnouts, while Greeks proceed with passion and excitement for honor. After Lord’s forsaken, Saul desperately “inquired of the Lord, but the Lord did not answer him” (I Samuel 28:6) when he saw Philistine’s force. This led him to resort to consulting Samuel’s ghost, which is a practice of necromancy, something
Achilles is also angry at having to fight another man's battle. The Trojan War is being fought because Paris stole Helen, Agamemnon's sister-in-law. In his argument with Agamemnon, Achilles points out "It wasn't Trojan spearmen who brought me here to fight. The Trojans never did me damage, not in the least" (107). Achilles' rage heightens in the argument and he declares "No, you colossal, shameless--we all followed you, to please you, to fight for you, to win your honor back from the Trojans---Menelaus and you, you dog-face!" (108). Achilles is also angry because even though he and many other soldiers are there risking their lives for Agamemnon and Menelaus, Agamemnon is sly enough to avoid personal injury. Achilles says to Agamemnon, "Never once did you arm with the troops and go to battle or risk an ambush packed with Achaea's picked men--you lack the courage, you can see death
In the Peloponnesian War the Spartans jealousy, Spartan unhappiness at no longer having all the military glory, and conflict between competing political ideas. The boys from Lord of the Flies fought, they would bully, ignored Ralph, would play hunt pigs, and the talk about the beast. In Lord of the Flies and Sparta and Athens, it shows our inner fear, immaturity, and lack of civilization due to differences.
As I read all this Trojan War and kills are because of the women. Did the husband of Helen arrive himself to take back his wife, or Agamemnon is doing everything for him for ten years? Also, why Agamemnon refuses to return the daughter of Chryses, and why Achilles refuses to give Briseis to Agamemnon? Do they both love those maids, or it’s just a pride? And what does gods have to do with all these? Do they come down and fight with people? Or just going to answer for
In the beginning of The Iliad, Achilles and Agamemnon are in a quarrel with each other. Agamemnon captured the daughter of the priest Chryses. Although Chryses offers Agamemnon a ransom to get back his daughter, Agamemnon declines the ransom. Chryses informs Apollo, who in response plagues the Greeks. After the plague occurs, Achilles advises Agamemnon to “return the girl to the gods” (1:81). Agamemnon refuses to give her back unless he gets Briseis in exchange. Achilles is frustrated by Agamemnon’s threats because he believes his contributions to the army are overlooked and depreciated. By depriving Achilles of Briseis, Agamemnon tries to convey that he retains authority over Achilles. As Achilles mentions to Patroclus, “That’s the pain that wounds me, suffering such humiliation. That girl… I won her with my spear, but right from my grasp he [Agamemnon] tears her” (XVI: 63-66). Hence, Achilles suffers humiliation in result of Agamemnon taking Briseis from him. The humiliation he witnessed when he lost authority to Agamemnon damaged his pride and masculinity, which makes him distraught and
Atreus, Agamemnon's father, murdered two of his brother Thyestes children and fed them to Thyestes after finding out that Thyestes' was having an affair with his wife Aerope. When Thyestes found out what his brother did, Thyestes cursed Atreus and all of his bloodline. He also took Aegisthus, who was just a baby at the time so that he can avenge what was done unto his father. Agamemnon and his brother Menelaus gathered a huge fleet and army to set sail to Troy in the Trojan War, to free Helen, Menelaus' wife, who was stolen by Paris, a Prince of Troy. In order for
The tail of the Trojan War has played a key role in shaping the way we look at the history of ancient Greece and how it was formed, and it is also a perfect example of ancient warfare. The Trojan War took place more than a 2000 years ago in ancient Greece. It was a war started by the Greeks on the city of Troy, it lasted a little over the course of 10 years. The Trojan War was caused by the alleged abduction of a women named Helen, she was said to have been kidnap by Prince Paris, who was the son of King Priam. Helen was certainly the most beautiful women of all. Her beauty was so powerful it stole the hearts of so many men. She was a powerful icon for many and she carried herself as Royalty should. Helen was the daughter of Zeus and Leda. At the time, she was married to King Menelaus of Sparta. There was a packed made to whomever was to marry Helen would be
Paris then took her back to Troy. Menelaus heard and the ex-suitors of Helen made a deal with Agamemnon saying that If the princess of Grease won that Menelaus would get Helen back and Agamemnon would get Troy. Rumors have it that Odysseus the king of Ithaca, was sent on a journey to find you and persuade you to join the war between the princes of Greece and the Trojans. Odysseus was a great persuader , and with you thirst for adventure and glory, he talked you in the joining the fight and you sailed for Troy. You took 50 ships, each carrying 50 men of your best men from your private army, the Myrmidons. Is it true that Agamemnon and you had a falling out and you withdrew from the conflict? and that the quarrel started after you had taken two women in one of your raids? and that you gave one of the women to Agamemnon. But, the girl’s father offered a ransom for the girl’s safe return. and that Agamemnon refused because the girl was a priestess of Apollo, and that the god was unhappy with this decision and sent a plague to wreak amongst the Greek camp. and that Agamemnon eventually gave back the girl, and to mourn the loss, he took your woman from you? and without you, the Greeks were fearful of loss and the Trojans gained confidence of winning from your absence, even reaching close to the walls of the Greek camp in their attacks and managing to set a few Greek ships on fire. what was your thoughts when your great friend Patroclus begged you to re-enter the war or at least allow him to lead out the Myrmidons in battle? and when you agreed was it hard to give him your armour made of gold, silver, and enamel, and the graves were of shining tin and army? and why did you make him promise only to engage in defensive action and not pursue the Trojans back to Troy? To my understanding you killed Troilus and were very smitten with Priam's daughter Polyxena. Priam decided
At the beginning of the story, the gods are debating what to do with the Greeks after they pillaged Troy, but more specifically, violated Athena’s shrine. Athena asks for help and says to Poseidon, “I want to help the Trojans who were my enemies, and make the Greek army’s homecoming a bitter one.” (Euripides 63). To which Poseidon replies, “You’re so fickle. Your mind leaps here and there: now you hate, and now you love, and both in excess.” (Euripides 65). Even Poseidon admits to the “fickleness” of the goddess since her allies during the war were the Greeks. This lends itself to show that Helen could be telling the truth about the goddesses having an argument about the beauty of each other and Aphrodite forcing Helen to run away with Paris. Helen also helps her argument by pointing out that the fight was preordained by the gods based on the prophecy about Paris, and then blames Paris’s mother and father for letting Paris live, rather than slaying Paris and trying to stop the prophecy from coming true. Through the many effective arguments, Helen shows that she did not ask to be carried away by Paris and that she liked Menelaus. Menelaus seems very weak compared to Helen, especially since he seems to not be able to make up his mind whether to kill her or not. In the end, Menelaus seems to decide on letting her live, though he still tells
In Virgil’s “The Aeneid” and Homer’s “The Iliad” two men start catastrophic wars over one woman. “The Iliad” depicts two armies, the Greeks and the Trojans, who go to war over Menelaus’s kidnapped wife, Helen. Also in “The Iliad”, Achilles is having an altercation with Agamemnon over a maid Achilles won, who was taken from him. Achilles refuses to stand by his countrymen and fight the Trojans until she is returned to him. Meanwhile, in “The Aeneid”, Turnus goes to war with Aeneas over the loss of his bride Lavinia. The wars of each epic result in a great amount of bloodshed; bloodshed that each hero tried to prevent by
We see through the Greek myths that tension can be caused by individual differences. This is not only true for the Greek myths, but it applies to modern life, to our society that we live in. In the myths we saw that when the tension rose from the individual differences they would fight, and the people with individual differences would become enemies. These stories can be fun to read, but we need to take from them that we can't just fight people when the tension rises from differences. We need to settle our differences, and not become enemies with people.
In book three of Iliad, “illustrious king” (9.126) and his Achaean armies fight the Trojans to stop wife stealing but despites that he still dishonors and takes Achilles prize, Breseis. Agamemnon in the Iliad can be seen as the mortal Aphrodite. In book three of Iliad, Helen disobeyed Aphrodite and she responds with rage and so does “lord of men” (9.112) in book one. Agamemnon feels that Achilles disobeyed him, so he answers with wrath just to show “how much greater [he] [is] than [him]…. for hoping to rival [him] strength for strength” (1.219-221). His statement makes Achilles furious with rage. “Why, why in the world if not for Helen with her loose and lustrous hair? Are they the only men alive who love their wives, those sons of Atreus? Never!” (9.411-414). Achilles expresses his feeling on how contradicting the whole Trojan war is and that is he going to involve himself, it will be for Bresies only. Bresies is who he loves not
Helen, the sister-in-law of Agamemnon was kidnapped by the son of the king of Troy. The Troy are doing fine and holding up well, while the Achaeans are dying off due to a strange plague. Achilles holds an assembly where a soothsayer reveals that the cause of this plague is Agamemnon’s ego. This was determined because Agamemnon took a woman hostage as his war prize.
Every man desired her, yet she was stuck with an ugly King Menelaus, the ruler of the Spartans. Helen, however, did know her sheer beauty and because of this she was very frivolous, and that led to her being unfaithful to Menelaus, and she ran off with Paris, son of Priam, the ruler of Troy. Troy was a rival city-state of the Spartans, and thus a war begun over Helen. Homer describes Helen’s beauty to that of a goddess. He writes, “Helen came out of her scented chamber, a moving grace like Artemis, straight as a shaft of gold” (The Odyssey, Book IV).
The Bible reports numerous cases of violence and war from the beginning of times. In most cases, violence in the Bible is caused by personal differences or tribalism (Niditch). People kill and destroy property due to jealousy, selfishness, vengeance, and attempts to prove their superiority. The evil of humanity in the account of Noah was characterized by violence that led to the destruction of earth. Numerous cases of wars and violence were recorded in the Bible, which showed the cruelty of mankind. Therefore, it is essential to consider a few of these cases, discussing their causes and the outcome.
In ancient Greece the most beautiful woman Helen, wife of Menelaus, the king of the Grecian state of Sparta has run away with Paris, the prince of Troy. The escape of Helen and Paris is an insult to all the Greeks. Infuriated, King Menelaus and his brother, Agamemnon, king of the state of Mycenae, assemble mighty armies of Greeks who include the finest warriors in the land. The soldiers gather at the port of Aulis to go ashore for Troy in a gigantic fleet of ships.